Are we really free?
Are we really free?
Published on February 13, 2004 By capt_turk In Politics
Freedom in America?

Americans spout all the platitudes of freedom, and claim to be a free country. But, are we? Our, so called, freedom is more propaganda than anything else. Modern Americans have gotten so complacent, and wish to always be so ultimately safe, that we’ve lain down and taken almost anything that our legislators have wanted to cram down our throats. We have given up all, but faint vestiges, of our rights. In the name of public safety, and for the good of the general public, our freedom has become little more than a good slogan.

Our country was founded on the concept of the individual’s right to personal freedom, the right to live without unnecessary government intrusion in their lives, the right to not have their property taken without due process. I’ve observed, after traveling to many different countries, that the American government is one of the most intrusive, and invasive governments in the world as far as the individual citizen is concerned.

The American government now demands that we get, and forces the citizen to pay for, permission for virtually everything they do.

They intrude in our bedrooms and tell us what we can do, and can’t, within the privacy of our own homes. They tell us who we can marry, and who we can not. They’ve taken away almost all limits to search and seizure of your home, or vehicle, in the name of national security, or in the name of the “War on drugs”. Government agencies can seize your home, business, vehicles, assets, and anything else they want, whether you are guilty of a crime or not. All they have to do is say, they “think” you might be involved in, or have knowledge of, any crime. Have what they think is too much cash on you, and they will take it, even if you can prove it’s legal, and/or came from legal sources. Try to get it back after they seize it? Good luck! Robbery is legal if you are the American government.

We think we can go out and buy a home, and that, we then own it. Nay, all we buy is the right to rent it from our government. Just don’t pay your government demanded rent (taxes), and see how long keep it. It’s gotten to the point, that in most places, you can’t even repair, or improve your home without permission from the government. Get a little slack in the upkeep of your land, and see how long it takes before the minions of government come around and force you bring it back up to the standards that they say it has to maintained to. Try to use your home for anything but a place to eat, sleep, and rest. I guarantee that it won’t be long before you’re ordered to cease and desist, and if you continue, then be ready for big fines, and/or prison. Many places now, you can’t even park your car in the driveway, and that’s another example of something you have to have permission to own, and operate (tags, title, license, and mandatory insurance). More and more, you are now forced to take, and pay for, services that you don’t use, need, or want.

New regulations give police and security agencies the right to spy on you, monitor your phone calls, and email, all in the name of national security. All a cop needs now days, is to say he has suspicions of illegal activities, no proof needed. He can burst into your home, throw you down on the floor and stick a gun to your head. If you resist, and he shoots and kills you, or one of your family, then, “Oh well”, it was just another day in the line of duty. He will probably be rewarded with a day off, with pay no less. The United States has a larger percentage of its population in prison, or jail, than any other country in the world. Shades of Nazi Germany, and the SS, even they didn’t manage to imprison that many people.

Try to buy, or own a firearm. You have to get permission from the government. If you manage to get that permission, don’t even think about trying to carry it, unless you are a cop, and of course, they are the enforcers for the government. Get caught with an unregistered firearm and see how long you keep it, or how long you stay out of jail. The right to own and bear firearms is there to preserve the ability of the citizens to take back an unfair and unjust government. It is not, to go hunting, or necessarily protect your home from intruders. That’s what the government is afraid of. They want to be able to force anything down your throat, and make you take it, without any possibility of resistance. They don’t want you to have the ability to “Just say NO!”, or even to protect your home, family, or person. While I’m there, shoot a burglar, and again, see how long you stay out of jail, or keep your firearm.

Taxation, that’s a real sore point with me. Every day we are taxed more, and more. The citizen is supposed to have a say in how much they are taxed. How long has it been since you had any say in how much you are taxed? Older, and/or, fixed income people are forced to sell their homes everyday, because property taxes have gone so high they can’t pay them. Business taxes have gotten so high, and oppressive regulations, have gotten so intrusive, that small business has become very difficult, to say the least. Between the licenses, user fees, taxes, and compliance with regulations, there is little, if anything, left to justify even being in business. I don’t personally own a business anymore because of it. The only way I could make a profit was to lie about my income, ignore regulations, and leave myself wide open to seizure of everything I have, or even a prison sentence. I don’t, nor have I ever, dealt drugs, or smuggled, or done anything else that’s illegal. I now work for someone else, and how long that lasts is anyone’s guess. The increases in licensing requirements, the increases in fees, and taxes, makes me hope that I die, of other than starvation, before I have to pay out more than I can make. The really sad part is, that I would be making a very good living, if it weren’t for all the money I have to give to the government, or have to spend on compliance with new regulations, just to keep my job. Another example of excessive taxation, without representation, is the tobacco and alcohol taxes. I’ve had occasion to buy both outside of the United States. The average price of a liter of rum, outside the USA is about three to four dollars. The same thing in the US will cost you twenty bucks, or more. The price of a carton of cigarettes is eight to ten dollars in many places outside the USA. In most of the south of the USA, you will pay seventeen, to twenty five dollars. In New York, I just paid seventy seven plus dollars for that same carton. I know the store owners are not setting those prices, or profiting very much from the sale. They only make a few cents on each sale. Five to seven hundred percent taxation is more financial rape, and robbery, than it is fair taxation. I don’t know of a smoker, or drinker, which thinks that’s fair taxation. One of the most well known reasons for declaring our independence from England was unfair taxation. We had a little thing called the Boston Tea Party to show our displeasure with it, and don’t say that that’s alright, only the minority smoke or drink now days, not everyone drank tea back then, either. When will the next thing be determined by the government to be unhealthy, or unsafe, or whatever, and either made altogether illegal, or taxed at an insane level to discourage people from doing it. The legislators seem to have no memory for history. Prohibition didn’t work. All it did, was increase crime. It didn’t stop people from drinking. It just drove up the price, and encouraged people to smuggle, and/or purchase things on the black market. Walking down the street after I bought that carton of cigarettes in New York, I was approached three different times by men offering to sell me cigarettes at half the price of the stores. How much do you want to bet that those offered cigarettes were smuggled from out of state?

I think it’s about time we emulate our ancestors, and have, not a Boston Tea Party, but a New York Tobacco Party. And if that doesn’t get our legislators attention, there’s always that old southern tradition of tarring, feathering, and being ridden out of town on a rail. I recently read a story about a civilization where the death penalty was reserved only for politicians that betrayed the public trust, or tried to take liberties with the rights of the individual. Sounded like a pretty smart civilization to me.

Our legal justice system has become a complete joke. “Guilty until proven rich”, is our motto. If you have the money to play the system, you can usually even get away, even with murder. Recent public trials have proven that fact. If you’re not rich, then you get a “cop out lawyer”, i.e. public defender, and go straight to jail. In my fifty plus years of life, I have yet to even hear of someone that used a public defender that was found innocent, except in cases where sometime later the family of the accused managed to hire an attorney and had the case retried. Every case I’ve ever known of, the person got a big fine, went to jail, or ended up on probation. Public defenders will not spend one minute more on a case than the judge forces them to. Virtually without fail, what happens is, the public defender visits you one time for a few minutes before the trial, and tells you to either plead guilty and take a reduced sentence, or try to prove your innocence and get a whole bunch of time in jail or prison. I’ve had to use one of them myself a couple of times, and I’ve yet to have one even ask me if I was innocent or guilty. They don’t care if someone innocent goes to jail, or has their life ruined. They just want to get it over with, with as little work as possible. As an example, in a recent case where I personally know the defendant, he, knowing he was going to be arrested when the blue lights came on behind him, slowed his vehicle to twenty miles and hour, turned on his flashers, waved to the cop to follow him, drove about four blocks to a friend’s house, and then peacefully surrendered to the cop. He drove the car to the friend’s house hoping to keep it from being impounded. He knew his wife couldn’t afford to get the car out of impound, especially, with him going to jail and not being able to work for awhile. The car was impounded anyway, and his wife lost the car to impound and storage fees. He was the typical blue collar worker that lives from check to check. Not being able to afford bond, or an attorney, he had to take a public defender. Instead of having to just deal with the original charge, now he had a fleeing to elude charge, also. He’s doing five years in jail now on the fleeing charge, because he tried to help his wife. This is justice? Could anyone of intelligence, and common sense, call that fleeing to elude, or justice? This is more an example of mugging the poor, than anything to do with justice. Then we come to the next part of our fine justice system. The probation system. This has become nothing more than a racket to ensure more government jobs, and for the government to make money. I’ve never known of anyone that probation has helped, except to provide jobs for government employees.

Another way that government has intruded in our daily lives is the prohibition on corporal punishment for children. We had only a minor juvenile delinquency problem in this country before the government stepped in and started regulating the way we discipline our children. Oh, of course there were some abuses, and I can see that being stopped, but, it has never harmed a child to spank one. I’m not talking about beating. I ‘m talking about a ritualized discipline such as many teachers used in school, and many parents used at home. You have a standard punishment for most infractions. So many licks with a paddle. A fair metering outs of that discipline, and firmness, in its administration. My personal observations have shown that when government started intervening in child discipline, we lost control of our children. Give a child a well deserved spanking these days and risk having them taken away, and/or being thrown in jail. As a child, my parents used corporal punishment. The thought of raising my voice to my parents, or the thought of striking one of my parents, is so alien to me that I could not even consider it. I was taught respect for my elders, to behave when I was in public. I see parents today living in fear of their own children. I see parents who have absolutely no control over their children’s actions, in private, or in public. I knew that when my parents told me to do, or not, to do something, that they meant it. If I ignored them, I knew I would be punished. It didn’t take many times for me to understand that it was much easier on me, and for them, to do what I was told. That respect for my elders, and “fairly administered” authority, has stayed with me all my life.

Now for another good one. Government services, I must say that I’m glad we don’t get what we pay for in that department. Really though, we are charged more and more for government services that provide less, and less help, and get more, and more intrusive. Remember the old saying? When someone from the government shows up saying they are there to help. Run, run away as fast as you can, because it will only cost you money, and grief, if you take their so called help.

Isn’t it time we had a wake up call in America? Isn’t it time we started demanding, and if necessary, fighting again, for the rights that our ancestors fought so hard to gain? Are we, in our complacency, going to wait till this country has turned into another Nazi Germany, or Afghanistan, controlled by a bunch of power hungry thugs, only interested in power, and controlling other people? I say that we are much nearer to that condition than we realize. The road to that condition is downhill, we are gaining speed, and a totalitarian police state is staring us dead in the face.

Take our guns. Control our every action. Spy on us everywhere we go, take most of what we earn, just to start the list. This is a free country?

I write not as an intellectual. I’m just the average Joe trying to survive. I love our country very much. I wholeheartedly believe in the principals on which this country was founded. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are more sacred to me than any bible. I fear for our country. The Constitution has been made a sham, the Bill of Rights, a joke. I beg the citizens of this country to make it known that we want our country back, and if our elected officials don’t get it back for us, we will take it back by what ever means are necessary. Write your legislators, vote out the one’s that even think about tampering with our freedom, and our rights. If that doesn’t work, …………. I can only quote one of our forefathers, ”Give me liberty, or give me death”.

With the recent paranoia of our government, I’m sure this editorial will get me put on some government subversive, or terrorist list. I don’t buy into their paranoia, or like what they are doing to our country. I can’t be silent when every day the ideals and principals of our country are ground under foot. Our government has gotten completely out of control. This is no longer a government, for the people, of the people, and by the people. I has become a government, for the government, and by the government, controlled by a handful of rich, self righteous, power hungry individuals that care more about profit, and/or power, over others, than they do about freedom, or the rights of the individual.

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on Feb 16, 2004

Most people have pointed out that the American public education system (K thorugh 12) is one of the worst in the industrialized world -- according to test scores anyway. So how does the US compete effectively? Our colleges are the best in the world.  Frankly, any proposal designed to make our colleges be more like K-12 public schools sends a shiver up my spine.

I totally favor scholarships for those who did reasonably well in high school and scored reasonably well on the SAT or ACT.  But the idea that it should just be free for all would merely make college an extension of high school. When someone turns 18, it's up to them to choose their path in life. Not everyone is created equal in every ability. It's up to young adults to chart their own path.

on Feb 17, 2004
Capt Turk- you've described with precision the way America is seen from Europe. I love America as well but am sickened at the decline of true freedom. I am afraid defenders of her present policies at home and abroad still have slaveholder mentalites, we are the slaves now/the average hard-working class/ we are the sheep headed for a cull at the hands of a government that aspires to grant the wishes of GMNC's than to people ( "resources"). The people have no power anymore and this hasn't happened over night. Workers right's in America are a sham. Drug testing in order to keep a job is a breach of civil rights_the right to privacy. Difficulties in getting a weapon are protection for the Gov't_they don't want militia's standing up for their constitutional rights_The Patriot Act will insure this. From what I read even protesting can be considered a federal offense!
Here we complain about taxes but know it's a fact of life. I think the gov't gouges us in buying petrol while in America it costs a fraction of what I pay.( who wants to pay 4.75US a gallon???) Here the playing field of life is leveled. No one will lose their home or possessions due to unforeseen illness or job-loss. National healthcare isn't free and perhaps offers less choice than the US system, but it is very efficient and everyone HAS to be insured, it's the law. Piss tests are an american invention that seems very humiliating to people here.
Job security exists here. Contracts for life_weather you are a cleaner or waiter_are just that, jobs for life. We have unions and ceilings on earnings_their may be rich people about but they are not segregated to suburbs, but sprinkled in among publically funded housing_which offers very decent housing based on income. What I like best about a socialized system is there is a safety-net, there is a poverty level and should one's circumtances deem necessary, by the local government, the net will provide a basic income.
Education isn't free though. Subsidized yes but not free. Kids parents pay after the 8th grade a hefty sum for books, transport_a bike, and tuituion. Higher education also isn't free here but there are work/ study plans where the employer 'sponsors' the education while working.
It saddens me that this greedy tapeworm called big business or marketing or politics has, almost by design, won the hearts and minds of some but not all Americans. There is another way to conduct a government but short of a civil war I don't think it's possible anymore.

I appreciate your honesty on this troublesome subject.
C
on Feb 17, 2004
Brad-

I totally agree that only a certain group of people should go to college, but I think that the states should improve high school to the point that college is only necessary for advanced training.

Cheers
on Feb 17, 2004
Jeb - I agree. But as long as the teacher's unions hold such sway over public policy the high schools will never get better. Heck, they shot down vouchers.
on Feb 17, 2004
Whoah, I don't think the problem is teacher's unions or school vouchers, the problem is that the states don't give enough money to public schools. If teacher salaries were higher it would be possible to get qualified people.

Cheers
on Feb 18, 2004
Health care? I rather have some health care, than no health care. The best health care in the world is no good if you can't afford it.
on Feb 18, 2004
Drug testing? I can see drug testing for certain things. Do you want to climb aboard an airliner that has a stoned pilot?. I am a tugboat captain, and at times, move millions of gallons of oil and gasoline thru major population centers(New York City for example) It's hard enough to control when you're straight. The damage and risk to life and proporty that I could do by being stoned at the helm is almost unimaginable. I am in favor of drug testing for jobs like mine, although it's a royal pain, but drug testing in general for jobs is just more of that someone wanting to have their foot on your neck mentality.
on Feb 19, 2004
While I "feel your pain", I have to respectfully disagree that the situation is as bad as you say it is. I'll add one caveat to that. It matters to some degree where you live in this country as to how much of your freedom is abridged. Much of this I am basing on my experience, and my knowledge of law and the practicality of applying it. I am apparently one of those "enforcers" or "minions" for the government. Yep, that's the sum total of my existence, and I have absolutely no judgement or discretion in the exercising of my duty. (if you can't tell, there's sarcasm there) Well, so you know, I don't hold the contempt for tug boat captains that you appear to hold for law enforcement officers. Of course, I knew this wasn't a popularity contest when I took the job.

But let me illustrate some points on which I believe you are incorrect as far as life goes for Virginia.

I buy stuff all the time. I spend waaayy to much money buying stuff in stores, and online. The government doesn't seem to be stopping me from doing this nor even showing up or interfering with my purchases. If you are referring to taxes, while I think we may be overtaxed to some degree, I believe they are necessary. There are certainly some unnecessary government programs out there that should be cut off allowing a reduction of taxes. However, most of the stuff I buy online (at this point) isn't taxed.

Yes, there are laws on sex, most of which I disagree with. But from a practical standpoint, I have yet to see the "enforcers" stampede into anyone's bedroom and prevent them from doing anything they want as long as they were consenting adults. We just don't do that. And the average cop could care less what you do in the privacy of your own home, with consenting adults.

Search and Seizure. The fourth amendment. The premise of "probable cause" to perform a search is just as much in place now from every practical standpoint as it was when I hit the street 18 1/2 years ago. You say:

"They’ve taken away almost all limits to search and seizure of your home, or vehicle, in the name of national security, or in the name of the “War on drugs”."

I believe there is some exaggeration there. As far as vehicles, the "Carroll Doctrine" (which was decided in 1982) is still the maor overriding exception to the Fourth Amendment. Nothing new there. Having worked closely with Vice and Narcotics investigators in the past, they still have to meet the same probable cause standard to obtain a warrant to search a house as they have for years and years. The Fourth Amendment allows for that. Many searches that people feel are ones that violate their rights are ones that they actually consent to themselves, consensual searches. Or they confuse Terry stop "frisks' with searches, which they are not.

And they CANNOT just take money because they THINK it may have come from ILLEGAL activity. The seizure process is a seperate and distinct procedure from being arrested, charged and convicted. But the proof necessary for successful seizure / forfeiture is still "beyond a reasonable doubt." And for those times when the government does either step beyond it's authority, or appears to step beyond it's authority, we have the Supreme Court.

You say:

"All a cop needs now days, is to say he has suspicions of illegal activities, no proof needed. He can burst into your home, throw you down on the floor and stick a gun to your head. If you resist, and he shoots and kills you, or one of your family, then, “Oh well”, it was just another day in the line of duty. He will probably be rewarded with a day off, with pay no less. The United States has a larger percentage of its population in prison, or jail, than any other country in the world. Shades of Nazi Germany, and the SS, even they didn’t manage to imprison that many people."

GROSS exaggeration. It is not like that, not even close.

In Virginia, under Gov. Gilmore's tenure, he changed the Concealed Carry law so that rather than the Court looking at "why should we let you carry a gun", they look at "why shouldn't we let you carry a gun". The practical upshot is many, many more concealed carry permits have been issued. The presumption is that your permit will be issued, unless it turns out you are a registered felon or possibly have domestic assault convictions. On the flipside, we have Project Exile. You use a gun in a crime, you go to jail, 5 years, no dealing, no reduction. That's aside from whatever sentence you get for the original crime(s). So Virginians can with relative ease, buy and carry firearms.

With regard to taxation in general, there are probably points on which we agree about how much taxes we pay. Again that goes to what the government is spending money on, and that which we think they shouldn't be spending money on. The problem there is, to some degree, that other folks disagree with us. They support and put in legislators and politicians that create programs and taxes that they actually want.

The justice system is a joke. Hmm. SOME aspects of the system could be improved, just like ANY OTHER SYSTEM out there. No system I have yet to see or read about is without problems. It's funny, because we all have to hire / elect people from the human gene pool, which generally insures a lack of perfection. And "guilty until proven rich"? We will use Enron as one of the examples I guess, since you appear to be talking about HIGH PROFILE cases that are constantly in the media, and therefore must be representative of the whole justice system. (sarcasm on my part, sorry).

http://www.enronfraudinfocenter.com/information.php

Note two "rich" people convicted, and several more still under charges.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/luster/070303_appeal_ap.html

Another rich person convicted. Should I go on? I think you are falling prey to high profile cases that are not necessarily indicative of the system as a whole. Now mind you, this works in another way as well though. Drug dealers who got rich through their criminal activity also hire the "better" attorneys and frequently "beat the rap".

However, as with anything else is our society money tends to net quality. INDIVIDUALS of high talent are not so easily attracted to government jobs, such as Public Defenders and / or Prosecutors. It's NOT the governments fault that the pay they offer does not attract the best attorney's to represent people with little to no money. That is unless you want them to raise our taxes and pay higher attorney salaries. And if I have the money, and I need to defend myself in a criminal matter, you can bet I'm going to hire the best attorney I can as well. I would venture to say you would do the same thing. But again, in Virginia, I think we do it "better". We don't have public defenders. If an indigent person needs representation, he gets the services of a private attorney who is "up next" in the court that day. That attorney may vary in talent or quality, but don't they all? Yes, the side effect of being rich ( which in more cases than not means you are also smart and accomplished) is that they can afford things that other people can't, including the "better" attorneys. This is one of many motivations in this country to be successful (monetarily).

In the my jurisdiction, our Family Services investigators differentiates between "corporal punishment" and "abuse". For instance, swatting you kid on the behind because he/she misbehaved is corporal punishment. Burning his or her arm with a cigarette several times in the same offense is abuse. Would you have that any other way? Certainly there are some unique examples of the law enforcement taking this too far, but again I would suggest that it is not the rule.

You see, I'm not as far off in agreeing with you as you might think. But I look at this in a different light. We the people are supposed to be part of the government. That is an active interest (which is considerably more than just writing a blog). But instead, too many of us abbrogate our responsibilities to our elected officials, and to law enforcement. The original concept of law enforcement was that police officers (or constables) would be paid (and thus able to dedicate more time) to do what the citizenry was expected to do as well. Enforce law. Citizens were expected to turn in law breakers. Now, people in the neighborhoods that most need help, don't want to become involved in making their situations better. Over time, many reasons (apathy not being the least) caused the citizens to become less involved and thus placed a higher burden or expectation on the police to do their job. I, for one, recognize that doing my job is IMPOSSIBLE without willing citizens to assist. So law enforcement in turn seeks more power, more authority to do that which the public is becoming less interested in doing, which in turn places more burden on the police for crime control. So is the government at fault in this? Yes, but not solely the government that consists of the elected, appointed and hired officials, but also the government that consists of the average citizen. SOME people on BOTH sides are falling down on the job.

However, if you want to organize a "tabacco party", knock yourself out. I think OUR interests would be better served if WE could encourage people to actually be a part of the government again like they should. It won't happen, because most folks are too wrapped up in pursuing their own interests. We don't necessarily need to resort to extreme tactics to get back on track. We need to get back to basics.

And lastly, I don't think some blog on some web site in the mass of the internet is going to get you placed on some mysterious government list. No offense, but you give yourself too much credit. There are people much more active than someone using a blog on the internet who are in the government's face all the time about rights, and they don't seem to be disappearing in the night by way of black helicopters. You have some valid concerns, and while you may attract some people with they way you choose to express them, you will also lose many because of your exaggerated and unrealistic manner. Do you want to attract the kooks, or the well-reasoned folks?

VES
on Feb 20, 2004
As I said before, all I have to go on is my own personal experience. At 17, I was beaten badly by two cops that outwieghed me twice over. My offence, I was walking from my motorscooter back to the cop car and was taking my helmet off. That was long before the helmet laws! They were walking towards me. I as bent over to pull the helmet off, one of them slap jacked me in the back of the head. I was unconcious immediately. The girl that was riding with me told me later that they kicked and beat on me for at least five minutes before handcuffing me and throwing me into the back of their car. I woke up much later in the drunk tank, looking like I'd been in a wreck. They moved me to another cell where I spent two weeks. Finally, a jailer asked me what I was there for because he couldn't find any paperwork on me. I was taken before a judge then, that released me. This was in New Orleans.

I did a year and half in jail, because of a deputy that put a .357 in my ear and told me that if I didn't plead guilty to the charges they had that I wouldn't make it back to the jail alive. I had already witnessed him kill three people in the jail already. How did he get away with that? Fear! Plain and simple. That was in Tennesse.
While working a job in New Orleans, I stayed at a motel for several weeks. One night at about 3 A.M. The door to my room was broken down and my wife and I were drug out of bed, forced against the wall, had guns shoved to our heads, and of course not allowed to get dressed. I asked the cop with the gun to my head what they were there for. All I got told was to shut up or he would beat the f#$k out me. They searched my room and then walked out leaving my wife and I wondering what the hell had happened. I filed a complaint the next morning, but guess what? No explanation, no action, nothing.

While I was at sea, my house was broken into and cleaned out. I made a report, an officer came by and wrote down alittle about it. I did some investigation myself and found out two of the local teens had been seen there a couple of times. I drove by their house and could see some of my stuff through an open garage door. I immediately called the police and informed them. Seems one of the kids was a nephew of the police chief,or some other higher up. Nothing was done about it. I never got any of my stuff back. I did get word to forget about it if I knew what was good for me.

I had an incident where I and a friend of mine, saved the chief of polices brother from being beaten to death. That cost me my business, having my business searched three different times at gun point, an about $25,000 in bail bonds, and legal fees. Three drunken off duty cops coming into my shop after hours waving guns around, threatening to kill me, my wife, and anyone that patronized my business. (another Louisiana experience)

Shall I go on? That's not all of it, by a long shot.
Some people wonder why I'm so cynical about the cops and our legal system. Maybe I'm just unlucky enough to have run into a bunch of bad apples. I don't know, but I've talked with many other people that have similar experiences.

I grew up to respect cops, but that respect has turned into nothing but hatred, and fear, through the years. As I was growing up, cops treated people with respect. They got it in return. Now, you're treated like trash, unless they know you have power or money. Cops wonder why they are not respected? The few cops I know that still treat people with respect, still get it in return. You get what you give. I know that goes both ways. I tried, but you can only give so much before there is nothing left to give.
on Feb 20, 2004
Whoah, I don't think the problem is teacher's unions or school vouchers, the problem is that the states don't give enough money to public schools. If teacher salaries were higher it would be possible to get qualified people.
The US already spends immense amounts of money on education. Class sizes are down, teacher pay is up. The problem is that you can't get rid of bad teachers and there's no discipline in the classrooms.
on Feb 20, 2004
The US already spends immense amounts of money on education. Class sizes are down, teacher pay is up. The problem is that you can't get rid of bad teachers and there's no discipline in the classrooms.


How much does the US pay on education? Well, as the federal government spent, in fiscal year 2003, 59.4 billion dollars. Approximately half of what the US spent on the war in Iraq during that year. Link
Spread that over 14,400 public K-12 school districts, which, by the way, do not get all that money, and you get 4.1 million dollars per district, a large amount yes? But since there are 45,114,900 students in the public education system, in 2001, that means there are 1316 dollars per student. Since most federal aid money goes to poor, inner city schools, which receive very little money from county income taxes, tell me, how exactly the US government spends immense amounts of money on education?

As an educator, albeit a college professor, I can assure you that teacher's pay is not up, on the national average, and, on the national average, class size is not down. You can find those stats posted by most governmental watchdog organizations, and if you know how to dig hard enough in the Department of Education Website. Bad teachers aren't the biggest problem, they tend to be fired even with "union" interference. If you can provide me with documented evidence of teacher incompetence that would be something. Anecdotal evidence doesn't count. I do agree with a lack of discipline, but I atribute it to a different source. Our sue happy society has made it impossible for any serious discipline to occur without the threat of suing. Oh, and by the way, competent teachers have been fired because they disciplined students and the parents complained. I'm not talking about beatings here, I'm talking about good, old fashioned detention, or cleaning chalkboards.

Cheers
on Feb 20, 2004
Shall I go on? That's not all of it, by a long shot.
Some people wonder why I'm so cynical about the cops and our legal system. Maybe I'm just unlucky enough to have run into a bunch of bad apples. I don't know, but I've talked with many other people that have similar experiences.


Yes, you should go on, because I'd like to hear the "Paul Harvey" version. You know, the rest of the story. As with anything, I prefer to hear both sides of the story. If I go by my experience, people who have lots of brushes with the law, and who serve time in jail often lack credibility, or have selective memory when relaying events. Also if I go by my experience, I have literally witnessed thousands of events where police officers did their job correctly, professionally, and without using force unjustifiably. You may be telling the whole truth, but I doubt it. I can't verify or refute your personal experiences, or the manner in which you describe them any more than you can mine.

You may be telling the truth, but I'll be honest with you. I don't think you are relaying all the facts, and I don't believe you.

VES
on Feb 20, 2004
Jeb, are you aware that public schools are almost completely paid for by states? The federal funds represent a tiny fraction of is spent on education. I'm sorry but it's really hard to get excited to debate this issue with you when you either aren't aware or are intentionally ignoring how public schools are funded. Personally, I don't think a cent of public school spending should come from the federal government. Talk about a silly scenario (send your moneyt o washington and then have it come back to your local school? Huh?). Here's a link (one of dozens that go into this sort of thing): http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=1022 Today we spend over $9,000 per student per year for public schools. In a typical class size of 25, that's nearly a quarter million dollars per class. What more do you want? The problem is the system, not the money.
on Feb 20, 2004
First off, I am not one of those people that argue with cops. I know I can't win. I've never resisted arrest, or anything like that. I keep my mouth shut and answer only what I have to. My "crime", has usually been the fact that I've ridden alot of motorcycles. Mostly chopped Harleys. Rode them, built them, repaired them. I used to be a factory certified Harley mechanic, even had one bike I built in Easy Rider Magazine. I've given up riding entirely. I got tired of spending all my money on bail bonds, lawyers, and paying fines. Most of this happened before Harleys went yuppie. Everytime they would show one of the old bad biker movies on the tube it got extra expensive and dangerous to ride. I couldn't seem to pull out on the street without getting jacked up. Cops seem to think, or at least used to, that anyone riding a Harley was a criminal and fair game.
You wanted another example: One of my landlords, who was a well know lawyer and canidate for local mayor, rode a bike alot. He had zero mechanical aptitude. I, being a wrench at the time, would get called everytime he had a problem with his bike. I got a call one afternoon to come to the next town and rescue him and his girlfriend. I found him on the side of the street and got my tools out and went to work on his bike. He and his girlfriend walked over away from the bike and under a tree for some shade. A cop pulled up and started giving me the first degree, calling me all kinds of biker trash, asshole, and a few other more choice explicatives. The whole time I'm trying to get the bike fixed and get gone because I had other obligations to take care of. I answered his questions as simply as I could. My landlord watched the whole thing and waited until he got particularly abusive before he stepped up. He told the cop the bike was his, and that I was only there to fix it for him. He also told the cop he was way out of line and to leave me alone. The cop started in on him until my landlord told the cop his name. The cop looked scared, apologized perfusely, and left as guick as he could. If my landlord hadn't been there, the way things were going, I'm sure that I would have been roughed up and probably arrested for something.
My landlord and I talked about the incedent later at home. He said he was appalled at the actions of the cop, and the treatment that I had gotten. He made some inquiries and found that the cop was well known for beating people up. Of course nothing ever happened to the cop. I doubt he even got a reprimand.
I've seen plenty people get mouthy with a cop and get roughed up. That I can understand. I don't, and have still been roughed up.
As I started this off, my "crime" , at least at that time, had been that I rode a motorcycle, and my hair was longer than the cops. Never below my collar though.
Cops never abuse the law. While I was living in New Orleans, there was a buglary, and muder ring busted there. They all were cops. If I remember the figure correctly, there were 32 of them that went to jail over it.
I've watched people beaten down by the cops on many occasions where they did nothing, or said nothing, to resist, or anger the cops. They just didn't fit the well dressed, affluent look. He's poor, he can't give us any problem, let's get our kicks. The kicks have been literal a number of times, too. How can anyone laying quietly on their face, with their hands cuffed behind their back deserve that kind of treatment?
You can't be a cop or politician in Lousiana unless you are a crook.
on Feb 20, 2004
Jeb, are you aware that public schools are almost completely paid for by states? The federal funds represent a tiny fraction of is spent on education


That was my point. I was trying to inform you of that fact since you issued this statement:

The US already spends immense amounts of money on education.


The US does not, the individual states do. I just don't think it's enough and I don't think you understand that. I teach college, I deal with students who come out of public schools. I have anecdotal and factual evidence to back me up. Please don't patronize me, if you didn't understand what I was saying, say that, but don't think I don't know how much is spent on children. The problem I see is that MOST of the money going to schools goes to the wealthy districts, since they have higher property values and therefore get more tax money.

Cheers
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